Comments on: Deadlines vs. Estimates http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/ Tue, 07 Sep 2010 01:29:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Legea lui Parkinson nu se aplic?! Despre estimate ?i productivitate. | luciarux http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Legea lui Parkinson nu se aplic?! Despre estimate ?i productivitate. | luciarux Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:34:30 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-503 [...] Estim?rile gre?ite sau realizate f?r? consim??mântul programatorului ?i deadlineurile imposibile – în mod normal, persoanele care creeaz? deadlineuri sunt ?i cele care dau estimari: Ai N s?pt?mâni s? implementezi func?ionalitatea X. Mesajul receptat de programator este c? nu este apt s?-?i estimeze propria munc?. Iat? un articol interesant despre estim?ri ?i termene limit?. [...] [...] Estim?rile gre?ite sau realizate f?r? consim??mântul programatorului ?i deadlineurile imposibile – în mod normal, persoanele care creeaz? deadlineuri sunt ?i cele care dau estimari: Ai N s?pt?mâni s? implementezi func?ionalitatea X. Mesajul receptat de programator este c? nu este apt s?-?i estimeze propria munc?. Iat? un articol interesant despre estim?ri ?i termene limit?. [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-02-06 « Brent Sordyl’s Blog http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-328 links for 2009-02-06 « Brent Sordyl’s Blog Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:01:29 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-328 [...] Deadlines vs. Estimates # Deadlines come from external sources, for example, “Feature X needs to be ready for the summer trade show”. # Estimates come from internal sources, for example, “Feature X will take me N weeks to complete”. (tags: management projectmanagement deadlines estimates) [...] [...] Deadlines vs. Estimates # Deadlines come from external sources, for example, “Feature X needs to be ready for the summer trade show”. # Estimates come from internal sources, for example, “Feature X will take me N weeks to complete”. (tags: management projectmanagement deadlines estimates) [...]

]]> By: Managers’ Deadlines vs. Developers’ Estimates - oTeam of 11 http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-327 Managers’ Deadlines vs. Developers’ Estimates - oTeam of 11 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:06:33 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-327 [...] Hackification hints to few steps to ease the situation where the deadline is shorter than the estimate; [...] [...] Hackification hints to few steps to ease the situation where the deadline is shorter than the estimate; [...]

]]> By: stock http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-326 stock Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:25:04 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-326 well.... right now im in a situation like this :( im tired and lost the motivation!! you are so right!! thanks for the reading, i learn something :D well…. right now im in a situation like this :( im tired and lost the motivation!! you are so right!!

thanks for the reading, i learn something :D

]]> By: BP http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-325 BP Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:31:37 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-325 The worst is when a manager turns an estimate into a deadline, just for the sake of having a deadline, even though sales/marketing hasn't asked for one. Admit it. It's happened to you too. The worst is when a manager turns an estimate into a deadline, just for the sake of having a deadline, even though sales/marketing hasn’t asked for one.

Admit it. It’s happened to you too.

]]> By: Dev Blog AF83 » Blog Archive » Veille technologique : agilité, PHP, Rails, Git, Outils, Admin, Navigateurs, Javascript… http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-324 Dev Blog AF83 » Blog Archive » Veille technologique : agilité, PHP, Rails, Git, Outils, Admin, Navigateurs, Javascript… Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:48:17 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-324 [...] http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/ : il ne faut pas confondre deadline et estimation de charge (cet article donne aussi des conseils pour améliorer les estimations) [...] [...] http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/ : il ne faut pas confondre deadline et estimation de charge (cet article donne aussi des conseils pour améliorer les estimations) [...]

]]> By: John Reilly http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-323 John Reilly Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:08:40 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-323 Wow dude now THAT is some cool stuff! RT www.real-privacy.us.tc Wow dude now THAT is some cool stuff!

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]]> By: Nahtass http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-322 Nahtass Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:24:04 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-322 So true. The vast majority of people I have worked for (and with) will probably never be able to get it. If they did get it, the systems they have built can not allow quality work, valid estimates, or the ability to communicate to client base on the situation. So true. The vast majority of people I have worked for (and with) will probably never be able to get it.

If they did get it, the systems they have built can not allow quality work, valid estimates, or the ability to communicate to client base on the situation.

]]> By: Gabriel C http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-321 Gabriel C Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:59:53 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-321 An estimate must come always with some uncertainty factor: When asked for estimates, I usually say something like: "there's a 75% chance that this task will take 2 weeks". The actual percentage is less important than the fact that is just a probability. I get peeved when you give an estimate and "magically" it becomes a deadline... that's why I try to be very careful when asked for it An estimate must come always with some uncertainty factor: When asked for estimates, I usually say something like: “there’s a 75% chance that this task will take 2 weeks”. The actual percentage is less important than the fact that is just a probability.
I get peeved when you give an estimate and “magically” it becomes a deadline… that’s why I try to be very careful when asked for it

]]> By: Brett Kiefer http://www.hackification.com/2009/02/02/deadlines-vs-estimates/comment-page-1/#comment-320 Brett Kiefer Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:19:39 +0000 http://www.hackification.com/?p=65#comment-320 A nice, measured discussion of the problem - though it doesn't mention the 'Software Death March' outcome explicitly, and I think that happens more than most of us would like to admit. Agree, the McConnell book is great. I actually work on software that attacks the problem of setting realistic expectations based on historical data - here's Joel talking about it: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html Sorry about the plug -- this is actually what I work on all day. Anyway, as you point out here, good estimation is only part of it, and communication around deadlines can be terribly difficult when ego and the desire for consistency enter the game. A nice, measured discussion of the problem – though it doesn’t mention the ‘Software Death March’ outcome explicitly, and I think that happens more than most of us would like to admit. Agree, the McConnell book is great. I actually work on software that attacks the problem of setting realistic expectations based on historical data – here’s Joel talking about it: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html
Sorry about the plug — this is actually what I work on all day. Anyway, as you point out here, good estimation is only part of it, and communication around deadlines can be terribly difficult when ego and the desire for consistency enter the game.

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